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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We began to see &quot;the handwriting on the wall&quot; when our 14yr.old started lying about his school work and was basically flunking his freshman year.  Since 6th grade he had been home schoolded, in 2 different private schools for &quot;different&quot; learning styles, back to &quot;an excellent&quot; public school and we were at our wits end with much arguing privately between my husband and I about how to &quot;fix&quot; him. We were referrred to a family counselor, who after reviewing our son&#039;s massive binder of school and private tests, etc., suggested we consider military school!!! She felt(from her experience with other boys) that he was a very smart kid (he is) and good candidate for such and that if we didn&#039;t do something he would go down the path of alcohol and drugs. OMG! I couln&#039;t fathom sending my child away at 14! After much anquish and constant crying on my part, he left for military school second semester of his 9th grade year. Flash forward, 13 months. He came home the last trimester of 10th grade and left military school an honor&#039;s student. His goal was to come home once he saw what life was like away from his family.  He made the decision to suceed and proved to himself that he could accomplish a goal. He now studies without being told and is devoted to getting good grades.  Certainly everything is not perfect, but after all he is 16. I am so thankful that we made a drastic change before he started down  &quot;a slippery path&quot;.  Maybe this comment will help someone else, having similar problems.  Military school was not perfect in any way and although we were told that kids that were into drugs, alcohol, serious behavior issues were not attending the school.....guess what?... parents lie and our son had quite a few experiences with boys that did have problems.  However, I also think it helped him to see where he didn&#039;t want to head......I believe our son will thank us in the future for make the tough choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We began to see &#8220;the handwriting on the wall&#8221; when our 14yr.old started lying about his school work and was basically flunking his freshman year.  Since 6th grade he had been home schoolded, in 2 different private schools for &#8220;different&#8221; learning styles, back to &#8220;an excellent&#8221; public school and we were at our wits end with much arguing privately between my husband and I about how to &#8220;fix&#8221; him. We were referrred to a family counselor, who after reviewing our son&#8217;s massive binder of school and private tests, etc., suggested we consider military school!!! She felt(from her experience with other boys) that he was a very smart kid (he is) and good candidate for such and that if we didn&#8217;t do something he would go down the path of alcohol and drugs. OMG! I couln&#8217;t fathom sending my child away at 14! After much anquish and constant crying on my part, he left for military school second semester of his 9th grade year. Flash forward, 13 months. He came home the last trimester of 10th grade and left military school an honor&#8217;s student. His goal was to come home once he saw what life was like away from his family.  He made the decision to suceed and proved to himself that he could accomplish a goal. He now studies without being told and is devoted to getting good grades.  Certainly everything is not perfect, but after all he is 16. I am so thankful that we made a drastic change before he started down  &#8220;a slippery path&#8221;.  Maybe this comment will help someone else, having similar problems.  Military school was not perfect in any way and although we were told that kids that were into drugs, alcohol, serious behavior issues were not attending the school&#8230;..guess what?&#8230; parents lie and our son had quite a few experiences with boys that did have problems.  However, I also think it helped him to see where he didn&#8217;t want to head&#8230;&#8230;I believe our son will thank us in the future for make the tough choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi:
A New York Times parenting blog ran an article I wrote about trying to confront my children&#039;s addictions. The article is called Snake in the Grass and it ran on New York Times parenting blog on June 25. I think you can google it....I&#039;m going to see if I can find the URL to post it here. I hope that other parents find my/our experience helpful.

My heart goes out to those facing mental illness in children. It is an incredibly difficult and painful journey for all. 

Janice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi:<br />
A New York Times parenting blog ran an article I wrote about trying to confront my children&#8217;s addictions. The article is called Snake in the Grass and it ran on New York Times parenting blog on June 25. I think you can google it&#8230;.I&#8217;m going to see if I can find the URL to post it here. I hope that other parents find my/our experience helpful.</p>
<p>My heart goes out to those facing mental illness in children. It is an incredibly difficult and painful journey for all. </p>
<p>Janice</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When reality with teens looks grim.

Our only child turned 18 this week, so we are  half-way through parenting a teen/young adult.  For us, mental illness (both sides of the family) is a complicating factors.  It surfaced at puberty rather than the early twenties. Fortunately, we have good medical insurance, experience with mental illness and a community of caring and non-judgmental family/friends/educators/medical professionals.

I agree with Kevin that having an on-line community is helpful, as I too was &quot;looking for answers&quot; at 1:30 am for dealing with behaviors that we could not believe were happening in our family (cutting, sex, suicidal thoughts, not communicating--thank God drugs and alcohol have not been added to the mix of &quot;self-medication&quot;).

For Elizabeth the neighbor, continue to do what you are doing--being a sounding board is enough.  Teens need someone they can just &quot;dump on&quot; without fear of intervention.  If the teen is a danger to himself--tell parents and offer to help arrange medical help if you can.

What have we learned?  Developmentally she does not want to talk to us(she&#039;s heard it all before), so we are OK with that, but have tried to make sure she has caring adults, professionals and friends to turn to when she is hurting.  

We have had to swallow our personal pain that she does not want our involvement--other than for $ and transportation :). 

Professionals have helped us establish &quot;family contracts&quot; to meet everyone&#039;s basic needs--i.e. Parents need to have 15 minutes per day at a meal with her giving a 2 minute update (adult social skill) on her day.  Teen needs for parents to not &quot;play doctor or counselor&quot; or &quot;over-react&quot; to things she tells us. (I still do not quite understand &quot;over-reacting&quot; because aren&#039;t we entitled to model consequences for poor behavior?)

As parents, we continue to change our &quot;dance&quot; when things do not seem to be working.  When I asked one of her doctors when we could reasonably expect her to start &quot;acting like the adult she thinks she is, &quot; he replied, &quot;not for a few years&quot;!  Hmmm.

She is leaving for college (almost full-ride academic scholarship)in two months and we are praying daily that she will have the sense to use the tools to make the transition.

Letting go of your children is harder than we imagined.  Thank God for our friends and family who help us maintain a healthy perspective on this important stage of parenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When reality with teens looks grim.</p>
<p>Our only child turned 18 this week, so we are  half-way through parenting a teen/young adult.  For us, mental illness (both sides of the family) is a complicating factors.  It surfaced at puberty rather than the early twenties. Fortunately, we have good medical insurance, experience with mental illness and a community of caring and non-judgmental family/friends/educators/medical professionals.</p>
<p>I agree with Kevin that having an on-line community is helpful, as I too was &#8220;looking for answers&#8221; at 1:30 am for dealing with behaviors that we could not believe were happening in our family (cutting, sex, suicidal thoughts, not communicating&#8211;thank God drugs and alcohol have not been added to the mix of &#8220;self-medication&#8221;).</p>
<p>For Elizabeth the neighbor, continue to do what you are doing&#8211;being a sounding board is enough.  Teens need someone they can just &#8220;dump on&#8221; without fear of intervention.  If the teen is a danger to himself&#8211;tell parents and offer to help arrange medical help if you can.</p>
<p>What have we learned?  Developmentally she does not want to talk to us(she&#8217;s heard it all before), so we are OK with that, but have tried to make sure she has caring adults, professionals and friends to turn to when she is hurting.  </p>
<p>We have had to swallow our personal pain that she does not want our involvement&#8211;other than for $ and transportation <img src='http://pleasestoptherollercoaster.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . </p>
<p>Professionals have helped us establish &#8220;family contracts&#8221; to meet everyone&#8217;s basic needs&#8211;i.e. Parents need to have 15 minutes per day at a meal with her giving a 2 minute update (adult social skill) on her day.  Teen needs for parents to not &#8220;play doctor or counselor&#8221; or &#8220;over-react&#8221; to things she tells us. (I still do not quite understand &#8220;over-reacting&#8221; because aren&#8217;t we entitled to model consequences for poor behavior?)</p>
<p>As parents, we continue to change our &#8220;dance&#8221; when things do not seem to be working.  When I asked one of her doctors when we could reasonably expect her to start &#8220;acting like the adult she thinks she is, &#8221; he replied, &#8220;not for a few years&#8221;!  Hmmm.</p>
<p>She is leaving for college (almost full-ride academic scholarship)in two months and we are praying daily that she will have the sense to use the tools to make the transition.</p>
<p>Letting go of your children is harder than we imagined.  Thank God for our friends and family who help us maintain a healthy perspective on this important stage of parenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading a lot of different books over the last year and recently I&#039;ve found one I really like:Positive Discipline for Teenagers by Jane Nelsen.  She also wrote Positive Discipline.  We tried the family meeting in an extremely informal way.  One Sunday after breakfast we just started talking about chores and nonchalantly  made a list of a few other items.  Our kids dialogued for 30 minutes about chores and in the end came up with their own solution.  It is really easy for them to follow the plan because they did it.  There are other items we want to address, but we&#039;re taking it slow.

I know this is not a solution for hard core problems, but perhaps a resource for ideas to keep things from escalating.  I&#039;d recommend the book for those in the trenches because it offers a different perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading a lot of different books over the last year and recently I&#8217;ve found one I really like:Positive Discipline for Teenagers by Jane Nelsen.  She also wrote Positive Discipline.  We tried the family meeting in an extremely informal way.  One Sunday after breakfast we just started talking about chores and nonchalantly  made a list of a few other items.  Our kids dialogued for 30 minutes about chores and in the end came up with their own solution.  It is really easy for them to follow the plan because they did it.  There are other items we want to address, but we&#8217;re taking it slow.</p>
<p>I know this is not a solution for hard core problems, but perhaps a resource for ideas to keep things from escalating.  I&#8217;d recommend the book for those in the trenches because it offers a different perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, thank you, thank you, to those of you who have had the courage to share your painful, difficult and overwhelmingly sad stories about your teenagers.  I am in a similar situation as several who have posted; I placed my teenager in a wilderness program at age 15; in a residential therapeutic school at age 16; and now, living home, facing his 18th birthday in a couple of weeks, still struggling with many of the same issues. I feel I have been a very devoted, loving, fair, kind and consistent parent.  I have done my best to help my son succeed in life, and honestly don&#039;t know if he&#039;ll be able to become a successful adult. I don&#039;t know why life for us turned out this way- there are certainly genetic factors that come into play- but why he has not been one of the &#039;success&#039; stories (so far) is beyond my understanding.  I&#039;ll keep plugging along, supporting and encouraging him to do his best to make positive, healthy choices, but I won&#039;t, under any circumstances, enable him when he makes poor decisions.   The support and encouragement I&#039;ve gotten from others (friends and professionals) have been a godsend.  Without that I would&#039;ve been committed to the looney bin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you, to those of you who have had the courage to share your painful, difficult and overwhelmingly sad stories about your teenagers.  I am in a similar situation as several who have posted; I placed my teenager in a wilderness program at age 15; in a residential therapeutic school at age 16; and now, living home, facing his 18th birthday in a couple of weeks, still struggling with many of the same issues. I feel I have been a very devoted, loving, fair, kind and consistent parent.  I have done my best to help my son succeed in life, and honestly don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;ll be able to become a successful adult. I don&#8217;t know why life for us turned out this way- there are certainly genetic factors that come into play- but why he has not been one of the &#8217;success&#8217; stories (so far) is beyond my understanding.  I&#8217;ll keep plugging along, supporting and encouraging him to do his best to make positive, healthy choices, but I won&#8217;t, under any circumstances, enable him when he makes poor decisions.   The support and encouragement I&#8217;ve gotten from others (friends and professionals) have been a godsend.  Without that I would&#8217;ve been committed to the looney bin!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s 1:30 AM and I am looking on the internet for some advice or information to HELP me deal properly with my teenager&#039;s defiance. No, this is NOT the only thing I am doing, I am doing all the other steps a caring parent does, including tough love, counseling, caring, etc. Parenting is not easy or simple. I want this person to learn to become a responsible adult and to not cause me or others or himself too much grief. When he reaches legal age I can release a stage of my personal/parental responsibility. It is good to have online as an additional source of information for comparison and to reinforce that I am not alone as a parent, but as an individual who must make and do the best decisions regarding my teen. I feel good knowing that I am TRYING to do my best whether it works or not. Sometimes it does work, sometimes doesn&#039;t. Effort and hope are my main bastions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s 1:30 AM and I am looking on the internet for some advice or information to HELP me deal properly with my teenager&#8217;s defiance. No, this is NOT the only thing I am doing, I am doing all the other steps a caring parent does, including tough love, counseling, caring, etc. Parenting is not easy or simple. I want this person to learn to become a responsible adult and to not cause me or others or himself too much grief. When he reaches legal age I can release a stage of my personal/parental responsibility. It is good to have online as an additional source of information for comparison and to reinforce that I am not alone as a parent, but as an individual who must make and do the best decisions regarding my teen. I feel good knowing that I am TRYING to do my best whether it works or not. Sometimes it does work, sometimes doesn&#8217;t. Effort and hope are my main bastions.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Campbell Duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Campbell Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was also a question in this post about someone wondering what to do when kids are kicked out of their homes.

What do you do?  I am currently tutoring a neighbour&#039;s son who has been in conflict with his parents (well..with Mom, Dad&#039;s usually calm and then Mom and Dad fight (mom yells, dad caves in) and the son feels betrayed).  He&#039;s been involved in some unfortunate situations lately where I believe him that he got in over his head and didn&#039;t know how to extricate himself.  As a result, nobody trusts him and when he tries to speak all hell breaks loose (sorry - lots of yelling and not listening...no throwing things or hitting).

I know he spent a few nights kicked out, but was welcome back because Mom is away for a week or so with her mom who had surgery.  He knows he&#039;s welcome to stay at our house, and I&#039;ve talked with him about how he can try to see things differently at home, but is still in a position with little to no power.

Any suggestions about how to handle this?  How to broach it with his parents?  These things are always easier when it&#039;s somebody else, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was also a question in this post about someone wondering what to do when kids are kicked out of their homes.</p>
<p>What do you do?  I am currently tutoring a neighbour&#8217;s son who has been in conflict with his parents (well..with Mom, Dad&#8217;s usually calm and then Mom and Dad fight (mom yells, dad caves in) and the son feels betrayed).  He&#8217;s been involved in some unfortunate situations lately where I believe him that he got in over his head and didn&#8217;t know how to extricate himself.  As a result, nobody trusts him and when he tries to speak all hell breaks loose (sorry &#8211; lots of yelling and not listening&#8230;no throwing things or hitting).</p>
<p>I know he spent a few nights kicked out, but was welcome back because Mom is away for a week or so with her mom who had surgery.  He knows he&#8217;s welcome to stay at our house, and I&#8217;ve talked with him about how he can try to see things differently at home, but is still in a position with little to no power.</p>
<p>Any suggestions about how to handle this?  How to broach it with his parents?  These things are always easier when it&#8217;s somebody else, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Fayles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Fayles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I SO agree with the mom who responded to the mother whose teenage son is out of control. Until you have lived through it, you have no idea of how exhausting, traumatic, and horrible it truly is. Our soon-to-be-14-year-old son has put us through hell the over the past year, and yes, a mental illness was at the root of it. We just learned he has early-onset bipolar disorder, which manifests way differently in children and teens than it does in adults. For our son, the main results have been substance abuse, irritability and anger, risky behaviors, hyper-sexuality, and lack of focus in school. We are on a first-name basis with just about every police officer in our town, and NO, we did not raise our son to be this way. My biggest regret is being too soft in the beginning regarding consequences, but I have discovered it&#039;s never too late to start. (I have also discovered that anti-anxiety medication really helps me to not take his actions so personally!) I would tell mothers with children like this to hang in there, remember the things you love about your child (even if you have to really search hard in your memory banks), and try to stay calm even when things are falling apart around you (that&#039;s where the meds help). As a psychologist friend of mine once said, &quot;You can&#039;t solve a problem when you have two crazy people at the same time.&quot; So if one of you is crazy, the other has to stay sane, or else the problems will never go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I SO agree with the mom who responded to the mother whose teenage son is out of control. Until you have lived through it, you have no idea of how exhausting, traumatic, and horrible it truly is. Our soon-to-be-14-year-old son has put us through hell the over the past year, and yes, a mental illness was at the root of it. We just learned he has early-onset bipolar disorder, which manifests way differently in children and teens than it does in adults. For our son, the main results have been substance abuse, irritability and anger, risky behaviors, hyper-sexuality, and lack of focus in school. We are on a first-name basis with just about every police officer in our town, and NO, we did not raise our son to be this way. My biggest regret is being too soft in the beginning regarding consequences, but I have discovered it&#8217;s never too late to start. (I have also discovered that anti-anxiety medication really helps me to not take his actions so personally!) I would tell mothers with children like this to hang in there, remember the things you love about your child (even if you have to really search hard in your memory banks), and try to stay calm even when things are falling apart around you (that&#8217;s where the meds help). As a psychologist friend of mine once said, &#8220;You can&#8217;t solve a problem when you have two crazy people at the same time.&#8221; So if one of you is crazy, the other has to stay sane, or else the problems will never go away.</p>
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